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[01:33] <stellar-slack> @eva: We starting soon? :sleeping:
[01:35] <stellar-slack> I'm waiting too
[01:35] <stellar-slack> It adds to the suspense.
[01:36] <stellar-slack> it's an Asia-friendly time, 9am now.
[01:36] <stellar-slack> Good morning :simple_smile:
[01:36] <stellar-slack> sunny? pissing down rain?
[01:36] <stellar-slack> Bit chilly here...
[01:36] <stellar-slack> here too, but sunshine.
[01:37] <stellar-slack> :coffee: for you @donovan
[01:37] <stellar-slack> Like a Jesuit's smile when made Pope.
[01:38] <stellar-slack> ep...silon..
[01:39] <stellar-slack> google translate is banning me for too frequent access :smile:
[01:39] <stellar-slack> ha!
[01:39] <stellar-slack> type in Cantonese
[01:39] <stellar-slack> works everytime
[01:41] <stellar-slack> What’s San Franciscan for “Press the Live button on Youtube”?
[01:42] <stellar-slack> He'd have to consult with the smart kid. Which means leaving the bar.
[01:43] <stellar-slack> They have rugby-like sport.
[01:44] <stellar-slack> Except rarely move, and padded bra to match the helmet.
[01:45] <stellar-slack> @eva how long till that event starts?
[01:57] <stellar-slack> hey all!
[01:57] <stellar-slack> we're starting very very soon
[01:57] <stellar-slack> sorry to keep ya waiting :simple_smile:
[01:57] <stellar-slack> 7PM?
[01:58] <stellar-slack> roughly yes
[01:58] <stellar-slack> have to herd all the folks into their seats
[01:58] <stellar-slack> uhm, gotcha! Thanks
[01:59] <stellar-slack> Yay!
[02:00] <stellar-slack> okay very soon
[02:01] <stellar-slack> we're almost all sitting...
[02:01] <stellar-slack> also, here are the slides for the presentation, since I know it'll be hard to see the screen
[02:01] <stellar-slack> https://www.stellar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/scp-talk.pdf
[02:01] <stellar-slack> thanks Eva.
[02:01] <stellar-slack> give'em pillows already, they can use the floor :smile:
[02:01] <stellar-slack> sure!
[02:01] <stellar-slack> ha
[02:03] <stellar-slack> aaaaand we're off!
[02:03] <stellar-slack> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ywUFVNI6Os
[02:03] <stellar-slack> It's on!
[02:03] <stellar-slack> :smile:
[02:03] <stellar-slack> woohoooo
[02:03] <stellar-slack> GO STELLAR
[02:03] <stellar-slack> can you guys hear okay?
[02:03] <stellar-slack> yeah it's awesome mate
[02:03] <stellar-slack> sweeeet
[02:04] <stellar-slack> omg Dave #2
[02:04] <stellar-slack> shit's real
[02:05] <stellar-slack> shit IS real
[02:06] <stellar-slack> my sound quality is terrible here
[02:06] <stellar-slack> Can’t hear him properly...
[02:06] <stellar-slack> yeah sounds crappy
[02:06] <stellar-slack> shoot, sorry about that guys...
[02:06] <stellar-slack> can you hear at all?
[02:06] <stellar-slack> or is it tinny?
[02:06] <stellar-slack> sounds like Jed in the pipe
[02:06] <stellar-slack> * surfing
[02:07] <stellar-slack> i hear loud but its not clear
[02:07] <stellar-slack> shoot :confused:
[02:07] <stellar-slack> when I tested the mic it was decent, but I guess testing doesn't always translate to the real environment
[02:07] <stellar-slack> hi, peoples offline.
[02:07] <stellar-slack> you guys got a shout out!
[02:07] <stellar-slack> well he is runnin' about a bit
[02:08] <stellar-slack> yeah he's a pacer :simple_smile:
[02:08] <stellar-slack> lulz
[02:08] <stellar-slack> i'm getting used to it now :simple_smile:
[02:08] <stellar-slack> you cant hear?
[02:09] <stellar-slack> yeah can hear
[02:09] <stellar-slack> can? cant?
[02:09] <stellar-slack> can. bit tunnelly. like shouting under a wave
[02:10] <stellar-slack> the screen is blank?
[02:10] <stellar-slack> nah mate refresh
[02:10] <stellar-slack> there's too much glare, so we shared the slides here https://www.stellar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/scp-talk.pdf
[02:11] <stellar-slack> i can post the title of the slides as we are live so you can keep up. Current slide is titled "background: byzantine agreement"
[02:11] <stellar-slack> thanks Joyce!
[02:11] <stellar-slack> when he walks in front of the light it comes good
[02:12] <stellar-slack> current slide: "byzantine agreement (continued)"
[02:12] <stellar-slack> thx dydt
[02:12] <stellar-slack> yeah, the titles help to follow
[02:13] <stellar-slack> Sounds like the noise-cancelling is kicking in. Have you got two microphones enabled?
[02:13] <stellar-slack> yeah
[02:13] <stellar-slack> "background: prrof of work"
[02:13] <stellar-slack> "background: proof of work"
[02:13] <stellar-slack> yeah, there is some kind of an echo
[02:13] <stellar-slack> jinx :simple_smile:
[02:13] <stellar-slack> like a flanger
[02:13] <stellar-slack> *hi-five*
[02:14] <stellar-slack> we are gonna move the camera/mic a bit to test
[02:14] <stellar-slack> white rabbit
[02:15] <stellar-slack> hey guys, i moved it
[02:15] <stellar-slack> further
[02:15] <stellar-slack> any better?
[02:15] <stellar-slack> yes
[02:15] <stellar-slack> YAY
[02:15] <stellar-slack> its better
[02:15] <stellar-slack> but.....
[02:15] <stellar-slack> even just a foot helps :simple_smile:
[02:15] <stellar-slack> yes!
[02:15] <stellar-slack> the trouble is, the mic and camera are the same thing
[02:15] <stellar-slack> i can see the title
[02:15] <stellar-slack> so I can't move the mic super close w/o sacrificing the view of David
[02:15] <stellar-slack> hey, that's something!
[02:16] <stellar-slack> I'm learning :simple_smile: I'm pretty new to livestreaming
[02:16] <stellar-slack> is the sound enough to follow along at least?
[02:16] <stellar-slack> Federated Byzantine agreement
[02:16] <stellar-slack> yer doing a bloody fantastic job mate
[02:16] <stellar-slack> is it possible to turn projector darker?
[02:16] <stellar-slack> let me ask
[02:17] <stellar-slack> thanks :simple_smile:
[02:17] <stellar-slack> and yeah, it's always basically impossible to see the screen
[02:17] <stellar-slack> ideally we could have the slides that David's moving through synced into the video
[02:17] <stellar-slack> but I don't know of any apps that do that (yet)
[02:18] <stellar-slack> I think they call that "2 cams, followed by editing"
[02:18] <stellar-slack> Quorum slices
[02:18] <stellar-slack> that could work too
[02:19] <stellar-slack> they said we cant adjust the lighting on the projector. sorry @lab
[02:19] <stellar-slack> but it still isn't a seamless experience for people watching
[02:19] <stellar-slack> There's glare on the screen, is that the screen itself or is it some lights that can be turned off?
[02:19] <stellar-slack> it's the screen itself
[02:19] <stellar-slack> it's always hard to see projection on video
[02:19] <stellar-slack> that is the projector itself
[02:19] <stellar-slack> that's why we made sure the slides were public :simple_smile:
[02:19] <stellar-slack> if the audio was a bit better that would be cool
[02:19] <stellar-slack> I gave up.. I
[02:19] <stellar-slack> Dave can always show his abs at the end
[02:19] <stellar-slack> @eva, is there another empty seat?
[02:19] <stellar-slack> no
[02:20] <stellar-slack> I’ll read the slides instead
[02:20] <stellar-slack> we're on Quorum slices (slide 2) in the pdf
[02:20] <stellar-slack> I could make jed move :stuck_out_tongue:
[02:20] <stellar-slack> he's in the next seat
[02:20] <stellar-slack> ya ask jed to slide over if there is an empty seat
[02:20] <stellar-slack> sorry bout that @dzham :confused:
[02:20] <stellar-slack> dzham: learn anything?
[02:20] <stellar-slack> he would have to switch with the camera
[02:20] <stellar-slack> Maybe we can ask David to clip the mic on his collar instead of the middle of his shirt
[02:20] <stellar-slack> @e: the mic isn't feeding into the vid, so that wouldn't help
[02:20] <stellar-slack> e: +1
[02:21] <stellar-slack> oh
[02:21] <stellar-slack> Can he stand next to the mic then?
[02:21] <stellar-slack> It is terrible.
[02:21] <stellar-slack> Tiered quorum slice example
[02:21] <stellar-slack> it does sound like cancelling (as donch pointed out earlier)
[02:21] <stellar-slack> @donovan: the mic is attached to the cam so it's tricky.
[02:21] <stellar-slack> if I put it, say, at his feet, there will be zero visuals
[02:22] <stellar-slack> except of David's feet :stuck_out_tongue:
[02:22] <stellar-slack> does the mic have a filter that is turned on, mayhaps?
[02:22] <stellar-slack> Cyclic quorum slice example
[02:22] <stellar-slack> erm
[02:22] <stellar-slack> it doesn't really have settings, honestly
[02:22] <stellar-slack> it's typically decent quality
[02:22] <stellar-slack> i wonder if we should ask david to move to the otherside of the screen...
[02:23] <stellar-slack> when he faces it, it's golden
[02:23] <stellar-slack> When is safety impossible?
[02:23] <stellar-slack> can't ask him to talk to a cam tho lol
[02:24] <stellar-slack> When about Byzantine failures?
[02:25] <stellar-slack> (referred briefly to previous slide's figure)
[02:25] <stellar-slack> current slide: When is liveness impossible?
[02:26] <stellar-slack> hard to hear. I will read the slides instead
[02:27] <stellar-slack> sorry guys :confused:
[02:27] <stellar-slack> is it still useful for me to post current slide titles then?
[02:27] <stellar-slack> (currently: FBAS security)
[02:27] <stellar-slack> I think it's really great!
[02:27] <stellar-slack> oh wait, I'm not really the audience here :stuck_out_tongue:
[02:28] <stellar-slack> was it ok when i had the mic?
[02:28] <stellar-slack> @joyce I think you were a lot closer
[02:29] <stellar-slack> oh true
[02:29] <stellar-slack> current slide: The Stellar consensus protocol (SCP)
[02:29] <stellar-slack> @epsilon: @kwelstr let me know if this is still useful for you for me to post slide titles
[02:30] <stellar-slack> titles help, yeah
[02:30] <stellar-slack> This video will be no use to anyone afterwards, it would be much better to move the mic and let people hear better. :simple_smile:
[02:31] <stellar-slack> Can we tell David to stand on the left?
[02:31] <stellar-slack> Federated voting
[02:33] <stellar-slack> Accepting
[02:33] <stellar-slack> we are moving the camera, hang in there
[02:34] <stellar-slack> when hes facing it it sounds good
[02:35] <stellar-slack> go Jed you bloody legend
[02:36] <stellar-slack> better?
[02:36] <stellar-slack> Confirmation
[02:36] <stellar-slack> i suggest devices should be tuned well before presentation next time living.
[02:37] <stellar-slack> yeah better
[02:37] <stellar-slack> sound is much better.
[02:37] <stellar-slack> YAY
[02:37] <stellar-slack> :smile:
[02:37] <stellar-slack> ok will do. glad its better;)
[02:38] <stellar-slack> What's an "intact" node?
[02:38] <stellar-slack> Summary of voting
[02:38] <stellar-slack> @lab thanks :simple_smile: I checked 'em but I can do a more thorough test next time
[02:38] <stellar-slack> @e: `Intact nodes are those that can be guaranteed safety and liveness`
[02:39] <stellar-slack> System states
[02:39] <stellar-slack> @eva: you can say hi to us in cam first next time :simple_smile:
[02:40] <stellar-slack> yeah!
[02:40] <stellar-slack> I can do a test run with actual people who'll be watching, rather than just doing it by myself
[02:40] <stellar-slack> I'd love that if you guys are game
[02:40] <stellar-slack> From voting to consensus
[02:40] <stellar-slack> thanks for your patience :simple_smile:
[02:41] <stellar-slack> a leetl off-topic... whose face is on the tshirt?
[02:41] <stellar-slack> ha. I actually can't tell...
[02:42] <stellar-slack> Another application of SCP
[02:42] <stellar-slack> i think it may be Che Guevara, but can't tell either
[02:42] <stellar-slack> @eva: question for the end: What is the purpose of the cryptographic hash ordering and king selection?
[02:43] <stellar-slack> got it
[02:43] <stellar-slack> thanks!
[02:44] <stellar-slack> Summary of properties
[02:45] <stellar-slack> donovan: thanks
[02:45] <stellar-slack> the end!
[02:45] <stellar-slack> dydt: great job!
[02:45] <stellar-slack> @donovan: can you hear david answer?
[02:46] <stellar-slack> **applause**
[02:46] <stellar-slack> ..not as much as Joyce gets
[02:46] <stellar-slack> :stuck_out_tongue:
[02:47] <stellar-slack> in case you couldn't hear the question, it was asking what kind of feedback David has gotten from peers
[02:47] <stellar-slack> eva: thx
[02:48] <stellar-slack> question: "What's the worst thing that could happen"
[02:49] <stellar-slack> q: "Could the ledger recover [from a fork]?"
[02:50] <stellar-slack> q: "So in that condition (from prev question) do you sacrifice consensus? You'll just fork and move on?"
[02:50] <stellar-slack> was the answer: like, well, you know?
[02:51] <stellar-slack> no
[02:51] <stellar-slack> q: "How close is this protocol to being implemented?"
[02:52] <stellar-slack> whoo jed!
[02:52] <stellar-slack> q: "Who has been using [SCP]?"
[02:52] <stellar-slack> Jed sounds clear as
[02:53] <stellar-slack> legend
[02:54] <stellar-slack> q: "Is there a deterministic algorithm such that if you input a network you can tell which ones are safe as output?"
[02:54] <stellar-slack> (maybe not the best paraphrase)
[02:55] <stellar-slack> q: "You said a few times communication complexity is not optimized by SCP. what does that look like when the nodes are scattered around the world?"
[02:56] <stellar-slack> q: "Do you wait for your slowest performing nodes to catch up? Do you ever abandon those?"
[02:57] <stellar-slack> clarification to prev: you're always going to have slowest nodes, what happens to those?
[02:58] <stellar-slack> clarification to prev q: "So you can leave behind the ones that you can afford to be malicious?"
[02:58] <stellar-slack> new q: "So is the need for an incentive model removed in this system?"
[03:00] <stellar-slack> gateways gateways gateways.... we need'em
[03:00] <stellar-slack> q: "You were mentioning that there are several attributes the system isn't optimized for. How are you modeling this so we can get a sense of what the performance and scalability are going to be like?"
[03:01] <stellar-slack> ha!
[03:01] <stellar-slack> ciao! :smile:
[03:02] <stellar-slack> beer and pizza?
[03:02] <stellar-slack> omg!
[03:03] <stellar-slack> thanks dydt and eva
[03:03] <stellar-slack> 'til next time :simple_smile:
[03:03] <stellar-slack> we want t-shirt too
[03:04] <stellar-slack> thanks alot dydt & team.
[03:04] <stellar-slack> thanks
[03:04] <stellar-slack> also, t-shirt!
[03:04] <stellar-slack> good job fellas
[03:08] <stellar-slack> thanks all for listening in!
[03:08] <stellar-slack> we will do more audio/vis testing next time
[03:09] <stellar-slack> or maybe closed captioned :O
[03:09] <stellar-slack> just kidding, but a little better audio quality will help
[03:10] <stellar-slack> it was good 'tho
[03:10] <stellar-slack> thanks for the presentation
[03:10] <stellar-slack> top stuff, and thanks for letting us in on the day
[05:04] <stellar-slack> Thanks guys! I know it wasn't perfect but I'm glad you could share at least parts of it with us :)
[11:08] <stellar-slack> http://insidebitcoins.com/news/not-so-decentralized-ripple-freezes-1m-in-user-funds/31862
[11:09] <stellar-slack> A comment by Jared, he never understood how the system works? ...
[11:16] <stellar-slack> interesting that they bring up justcoin as an example of a successful usage of freeze
[11:17] <stellar-slack> IIRC they cached out in STR that they later converted to BTC?
[11:17] <stellar-slack> so nothing to freeze
[11:49] <stellar-slack> dzham, I think the JC funds went to STRs and XRPs, so yeah, nothing to freeze there.
[12:03] <stellar-slack> they still have 16M STR in that account
[12:03] <stellar-slack> g3fhpbbKRF3oz87yA3VvG4npTcDNyqw786
[12:10] <stellar-slack> really? huh
[12:13] <stellar-slack> yes. Someone told me he come back online after several months and missed JC s withdraw deadline.
[12:22] <stellar-slack> that account was the one the stolen funds went to, so not JC
[12:22] <stellar-slack> @eva: its my honor if http://stellar.im|stellar.im added on the community page. another project base on stellar should be released on June or July.
[12:48] <stellar-slack> siko: in what country are you located?
[13:55] <stellar-slack> hi all
[13:56] <stellar-slack> @kwelstr: China
[13:57] <stellar-slack> STR will change to XML ,and what about the rocket logo? i like it very much
[14:33] <stellar-slack> siko: ok, thanks :simple_smile:
[15:02] <stellar-slack> It will be `XLM`. The LM stands for lumens, a measurement of the total "amount" (lux/m^2) visible and perceived to the human eye
[15:05] <stellar-slack> Also, the rocket isn't actually our official logo (we don't have one yet). But I like the rocket too, and i think it's a symbol that will live on for a while
[15:21] <stellar-slack> thanks
[15:23] <stellar-slack> Actually, the code has not yet been decided.
[15:28] <stellar-slack> i think the LM is good for anderstand
[15:32] <stellar-slack> Wishlist has been started for a while: https://stellar.uservoice.com/forums/278407-stellar-ideas
[15:33] <stellar-slack> @siko: will the new proj related to any of the listed item?
[16:08] <stellar-slack> btw i wonder what else could be done in the mean time to promote Stellar ecosystem
[16:13] <stellar-slack> since the Code STR is depreciated , i've changed way from http://strmoon.com|strmoon.com to http://256kw.com|256kw.com . then it will be not tied to the currency code anymore .
[16:25] <stellar-slack> eno, good thinking.
[16:26] <stellar-slack> zealord: I think the may need for the ecosystem are gateways in every country. Then we could really use it as it is designed and not just as another alt-coin
[16:27] <stellar-slack> http://www.atelier.net/trends/articles/projet-stellar-une-alternative-plus-sure-rapide-bitcoin_435085
[16:28] <stellar-slack> Stellar project & SCP in French
[16:35] <stellar-slack> We will still be called "Stellar" though
[16:39] <stellar-slack> qustion : how many lumens in a 256kw bulb ? :smirk:
[17:07] <stellar-slack> @siko: awesome, thank you!
[17:08] <stellar-slack> can't wait to see what you do next :simple_smile:
[17:34] <stellar-slack> it depends
[17:36] <stellar-slack> it depends on how efficient the bulb is. if it is incandescent, it'll be very little. It also depends on the color (the human eye perceives colors with varing intensity).
[17:38] <stellar-slack> but assuming modern LED, it's enough to light up 17,000 bedrooms. Okay, lets move this to #random haha
[17:44] <stellar-slack> I wonder who has written this french article :simple_smile:
[17:44] <stellar-slack> because there are so many mistakes.
[17:46] <stellar-slack> well not really mistakes, it is just weird to compare the bitcoin protocol with the Stellar protocol.
[18:12] <stellar-slack> @eva: Hi there I saw the message about south africa meet-up and I have signed up with the google doc link, added some key things I think we need to do before your arrival
[18:14] <stellar-slack> We ( our flagship start-up Bitmagnet ) are based in JHB and we have good contacts and strong channels. We also own and operate the cointelegraph south africa site and franchise, so I want to do a story on stellar's visit to SA as soon as possible to increase visibility and they usually re-post strong stories to the main http://ct.com|ct.com site, so massive attention. Anyway, I really want to see how we can work
[18:14] <stellar-slack> core services we provide from cryptocurrency perspective is instructor-led and virtual bitcoin training and 5 day courses from mining to apps/dev - so I think there is room here for great partnership between ourselves and stellar, increasing the bitcoin reach and getting the attention required to make it more mainstream
[18:18] <stellar-slack> We decided to approach the Bitcoin scene from the first level, rather than more dev/apps - there is enough of that to go around hence no need for another one, we want to empower and educate individuals first. If they don't understand all of this first, then they will never invest their time and money/attention into it. We recently visited BARCLAYS bank head office in JHB and had a meeting with their head of digi
[18:18] <stellar-slack> are seriously interested. this individual is even going to attend our courses, now this is EXACTLY why stellar's visit is paramount to make it gain attention, If we can demonstrate that Stellar can help the bank improve their services and integrate with something like stellar, I am confident it will be considered strongly.
[18:21] <stellar-slack> That sounds really interesting, and putting people first is really in line with Stellar's ethos :simple_smile: Joyce and Jed are mid-flight right now but I'll point them here for when they're landed. So glad you found us!
[18:23] <stellar-slack> ditto! also very happy, looking at what we are trying to achieve here, including what Stellar is about, its like "meant to be"
[18:58] <stellar-slack> @jaquesc: hi! I'm the educator here at stellar so interested in where you start. Who comes to you to learn about digital currency?
[18:59] <stellar-slack> And interesting that you start w a non-dev approach--what do you want them to learn?
[19:09] <stellar-slack> +1 to vanessa's questions!
[19:34] <stellar-slack> Hi @vanessa good question yes, and here is the answer :simple_smile:
[19:34] <stellar-slack> Well, we do not have a specific outlined "advanced" or "intermediate" or "beginner" right now, for the start, its a generalized complete 5 day blow out starting at what is still the core of what this is all about right
[19:35] <stellar-slack> "mining" you will find people fall in love with that aspect and thats what they focus on, so we have a layered approach trying to tough on history/start/mechanics/application/dev/profiting etc...
[19:37] <stellar-slack> Putting it mildly and in my own opinion, asking people here if they know Bitcoin the answer is yes, and that's it, pause,stop, nothing more.. We will eventually maybe branch out into specific course materials and course's that focus on areas people have keen interest in, but we and the interest need to grow first and foremost for this to be achieved
[19:40] <stellar-slack> Thank you very much, @jaquesc. when people leave, what do they usually do to become part of the community?
[19:46] <stellar-slack1> Well we will create a channel between ourselves and the delegates and stand to serve as a information hub and advisory consultant should they require our help outside of the course, I guess in the bigger spectrum of things, we provide "Digital Currency advisory services" so they are in good hands
[19:46] <stellar-slack1> You mght find these individuals either just wanted to understand what's going on and that was enough, some might go out and start crypto currency related start ups, regardless, we are there if they call
[19:47] <stellar-slack1> We also just got word that Botswana's first ATM just touched down
[19:48] <stellar-slack1> cool news about Botswana!
[19:48] <stellar-slack1> I would so love to see a picture of that
[19:48] <stellar-slack1> yeah, im going to post a story on http://ct.co.za|ct.co.za in the next few hours
[19:48] <stellar-slack1> ill drop you guys a note when the article is up :simple_smile:
[19:49] <stellar-slack1> hmm, just to be clear - http://cointelegraph.co.za|cointelegraph.co.za
[19:52] <stellar-slack1> sorry guys, being bombarded from all platforms with chatter haha :simple_smile: @vanessa I think we could really create great collaboration together with the support and backing of Stellar, both in our course's and more.
[19:52] <stellar-slack1> awesome, I'll keep my eyes peeled :smile:
[19:54] <stellar-slack1> With the Galaxy reveal, even more so, what Stellar is set out to accomplish, cannot be more exact and to the tee what This entire continent needs, and since we have been approached by big banking digital tech leaders here, If we can present them with a good overview and demo of what could be done, well I think we know what follows right....
[19:57] <stellar-slack1> and not sure if you guys are aware that the Bitcoin Africa Conference 2015 literally concluded last week, was hosted in Cape Town, also great and strong event
[19:57] <stellar-slack1> We are getting our ducks in a row and will likely have some strong stories for http://ct.co.za|ct.co.za to share
[21:46] <stellar-slack1> Thanks for all the info here @jaquesc - looking forward to meeting f2f!
[21:47] <stellar-slack1> Bummed we missed the bitcoin conference. I saw it online and was like DOH when I saw the date
[21:47] <stellar-slack1> yup, would have been good to have you guys there, there was a mixed feeling approach, but I would say overall a "good" conference
[21:48] <stellar-slack1> At least more transparency and open discussions
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